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[Sorry Ericsson]

Have you ever noticed that more and more news and information about UFOs or Flying Saucers have appeared across the year.

Disclosures by former USAF officers and some related experts, the so-called Ufologists, and even by New Zealand Government, are everywhere in the internet. In my country, the official TV stations have made a series of programs to reveal or to explore the secret of UFOs.  The government's attitude towards UFOs' existence is NOT DENYING, a lot different from what it was in the past. It seems that the many governments have known the truth but they don't want their civilians to know.

I feel there is something imminent in the near future. I don't know if it is good or bad.

Like one of the former US Air Force officers said, the absence of evidence if not the evidence of absence, so how much do you know about UFOs?

As far as I know, besides UFOs, there are USOs, the short form for Unidentified Submarine Objects.
Aliens are called EBEs, the short form for Extraterrestrial Biological Entities.


And I heard that the flying saucers travel in the universe with the speed well over the velocity of light and are feuled with antimatter. Or they came here through a wormhole in space. Or there co-exists another dimension on earth...

Please share your knowledge here! Thanks!

[Boysie]

Moved from nonse-nse

UFOs exist. Whether they are aliens from space, I don't know. People certainly see things they can't explain and I've seen many interesting videos that are hard to explain.  I do know however that faster than light travel is impossible. I also think there is certainly life on other planets of varying stages of evolution. Whether this life has developed the technology to travel interstella space is another matter however.

As for government cover ups (project bluebook for eg) I think is rubbish. They'd rather us believe in little green men than us discover their military secrets.

[Norby]

I'm not sure about UFO's. There are some inexplicable events, but since space exploration goes on, and we find out that there is a large number of habitable planets it gets plausible.

The governments are acting strange when it comes to UFO, remember the case when a google satellite took a snapshot of Area 51? The american government said there ain't no Area 51 in Arizona, until they were confronted with the photos. I think that the governments are acknowledging UFO's in a limited manor to the public, for various reasons. About the existence of UFO's, I don't know what to say, because there are many things we don't know, like ghosts. I have a strong belief in the existence of ghosts, but really, what are they? There are lots of things we still don't know yet. Scientists are wondering how some brain-dead people can remember after they revived, what the doctors were saying when they were around the body of the patient and saw what they were doing in the time in which the patient had no brain activity.

This is an example about how much we still don't know about ourselves. Also remember, we still don't know everything about our planet or the phenomena that are going on on it.

The problem with UFO's is that travelling with speed exceeding the speed of light is that when a object travels faster, it has more potential energy. And to accelerate from any velocity under the speed of light to the speed of light, it will generate lots of G forces, i can't think that the acceleration of some objects that were seen in the sky, that were standing still, and a moment after, they were going very fast. Like a sudden start or a sudden stop. Like in a car, when it accelerates you're pushed against the seat, and when it brakes you're pulled of it. In space, it's the same, you don't have any weight, but you have mass. So like Boysie said, it's impossible.

So, my opinion is that we can't know for sure about the existence of UFO's by this time. Maybe later, when we fully understand ourselves, our planet, our Solar system.

Edited by Norby, 03 January 2011 - 12:31 PM.

[Manny]

I just think they are all man-made craft, that are either being tested out and people capture it on camera and call it a UFO (spaceship).. if there were outer space technology etc we surely would've seen it properly by now..

[Sorry Ericsson]

@Boysie,

You are right. Governments concern more about their power to control, to rule, than the civilians' right to know the truth. Even history could have been made up of lies. History is just a book, and truth is not history.

In my opinion, UFOs do exist. I kinda have a tendency to believe the UFO witnesses' testimonies.

If you tell a lie, you have to create a series of lies to support it, which is a hard task for most people.



I don't know if there are other people who have seen the "Victor" 's video about researchers in US Area 51 interrogating an alien via telepathy. It is a scary clip.

Edited by Sorry Ericsson, 03 January 2011 - 12:43 PM.

[Norby]

Manny, on 03 January 2011 - 12:37 PM, said:

I just think they are all man-made craft, that are either being tested out and people capture it on camera and call it a UFO (spaceship).. if there were outer space technology etc we surely would've seen it properly by now..

True, you reminded me of some documentary about some people going near the Area51 and they saw some strange flying object taking of and flying around, in the same manor as some UFO's that were reported.

[Sorry Ericsson]

@Norby,

, Your avatar looks like an alien, or a human being under low pressure test.

[Boysie]

Remember a 'UFO' is not an alien necessarily an spacecraft, its an Unidentified Flying Object. So that means it could be a weather balloon, a secret military plane or someone doing a hoax or a million other things including natural phenomena. So UFOs DO exist.

[Sorry Ericsson]

Norby, on 03 January 2011 - 12:45 PM, said:

True, you reminded me of some documentary about some people going near the Area51 and they saw some strange flying object taking of and flying around, in the same manor as some UFO's that were reported.

I read the same report. But what if it was the other side? If it was the base between the US government and some alien planet "domain"?

It's really hard to tell. But so far, most people want to believe they were not man-made aircrafts, to satisfy their nature-curiosity.

[REDHOTIRON2004]

Sorry Ericsson, on 03 January 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

I read the same report. But what if it was the other side? If it was the base between the US government and some alien planet "domain"?

It's really hard to tell. But so far, most people want to believe they were not man-made aircrafts, to satisfy their nature-curiosity.

Do you know that planes have just been around for only 100 years. And now we have reached other planets like mars as well.
Humans would never have existed in the form they are in if the Dinosaurs won't have gone extinct. Just imagine the magnitude of the catastrophe that must have been unleashed on them from the heavens so many centuries back that have erased there kind and given the mammals like chimpanzees or monkeys a chance to evolve.
It seems as if this is a testing laboratory for the aliens. Think about it.... Our genes might be much more similar to them then we might even imagine.

There is so much going around. Human beings seem to just surpass every innovation, every limit & coming up with innovations that sound so unusual or Godly. Lasers, Ability to change it's own genes, Computers,(Biggest of them all), Robots, Communications. I don't think that human by himself would have been able to create all this. There have to be some kind of intervention. Even if the human beings might not be aware of that. Just like something is remote controlling these important life changing events. The progress have just accelerated in this century many times. There is an even greater possibility now that Human beings might have come in direct contact with them and this time the exchange of technology might have been more direct.

Just on the point of intervention. I would like to mention some.
Our religion, culture is the biggest example of there intervention. Almost all the religions have mentioned about some-kind of extraterrestrial or super human characteristics & communication. These aliens are like air. You cannot see them but you can feel the breeze. Similarly you can see the changes & direction that they have provided to all the human beings. Even though you cannot see them.

Just imagine a ant house behind a glass. We can observe them but they cannot understand that we are watching there every move.

[iamsuperuser]

What about humans taken hostage by aliens and conduct experiments on them. Many people have told that they have been through this and have come back home safely. Are all these people lying for public attention or just hallucinating ?

[REDHOTIRON2004]

vineelitsmylife, on 22 September 2011 - 04:04 AM, said:

What about humans taken hostage by aliens and conduct experiments on them. Many people have told that they have been through this and have come back home safely. Are all these people lying for public attention or just hallucinating ?

It can be both!!! That's something that we cannot take as a proof. As, there are many people out there making up things to gain popularity.
Still, there is an overwhelming logic that these aliens must have had a head-start. As, the human civilization have came into existence after millions of centuries after the universe came into existence. And that too after the demise of the dinosaurs. One thing that we shouldn't forget is that a smarter & more intelligent race cannot be good for us. Think about the kind of treatment we do to animals. These things cannot be taken lightly.

I do believe that all the religions that talk about the heavenly gods & devils. "Life after death" should be strongly connected to these aliens. Religion is a way to connect to spirituality. That is a essence of there technology.
U see technology have only started to evolve now. And it is a fact that in the future the organic & mechanical would connect in such a way that everything would become connected & seamless. Communication would become telepathic instead of using mobile phones. There are other great possibilities. One thing that is prominent here is that human beings have already started to combine genes in such a way that they can change the whole evolution process. In that kind of scenario the technology would only become organic rather than mechanic. And the real science would be spiritual. Spirituality, is something that I believe would be the core connecting point for the aliens as well. It is something like ethics. Just imagine a place where there would be no shortage of food. Unlimited supply of energy for everyone. And the perfect cure for all diseases. And the knowledge of the universe. That would make you feel so small. In that kind of scenario there is going to be a perfect world. Something that we humans know as heaven(through religions).
I know these things might sound a bit complicated. But, we humans are still not developed enough to think about the kind of foresight that these aliens with such a big brain must be having.

Edited by REDHOTIRON2004, 22 September 2011 - 05:48 PM.

[najodleglejszy]

@REDHOTIRON: from what I read, you just don't believe in power of human mind:

REDHOTIRON2004, on 21 September 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

I don't think that human by himself would have been able to create all this. There have to be some kind of intervention.

and why is that? why are you so sure that extraterrestial beings MUST be more intelligent than us? they can be so different, that probably they won't have any intelligence but some other features we can't imagine or name. it's kinda irritating, seeing all those people thinking about aliens as thin humanoids, preferrably green. they may be in form of e.g. thinking ocean, as in Stanisław Lem's "Solaris" novel. they can be clouds of sulphur. they can be everything. and they can just don't know/care about us.
to make myself clear: I believe that there's some kind of life outside the Earth somewhere, because it'd be just improbable if the Earth would be the only inhabited planet. but I don't believe they visit us. and the "government covering everything" is always piece of rubbish for me. I guess the government can hide some facts, but they are not those that everyone "knows" they hiding, if you know what I mean.
it's also kinda awkward for me that people send all those messages into the space (as Voyager Golden Record). how do we know they won't be a threat for us? maybe their biggest fun is to kill other civilizations? we mustn't think about them using our standards. they live on a very remote planet and I doubt their ethical system is the same as ours.

oooh, and a word from Bill Bryson, a writer:

Bill Bryson said:

Space, let me repeat, is enormous. The average distance between stars out there is 20 million million miles. Even at speeds approaching those of light, these are fantastically challenging distances for any traveling individual. Of course, it is possible that alien beings travel billions of miles to amuse themselves by planting crop circles in Wiltshire or frightening the daylights out of some poor guy in a pickup truck on a lonely road in Arizona (they must have teenagers, after all), but it does seem unlikely.

now I'm just waiting for Pieter or Maxim joining the discussion

Edited by najodleglejszy, 15 August 2012 - 08:11 PM.

[Joel_Zimmerman]

My theory on UFOs are that I hear a noise and can't see the aircraft, so it's a UFO to me. On the other hand, I believe what people are seeing are actually craft from this planet flying either for testing or to generally entice a public reaction. The other cause is just a misinterpretation of aircraft. Remember the flying lights over Phoenix years ago? Simply flares from a training exercise. When the Northrop B-2 took to the skies, it looked so un-natural that hundreds of UFO sightings were reported. Same as the Lockheed Martin F-117. And now, I believe that the 'Aurora' which is supposedly another aircraft from Lockheed Martin, is fuelling sceptisism about UFOs. Technically it is a UFO at this time since it does not exist officially.