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Posted 18 February 2010 - 11:13 PM




Sony Ericsson CEO, Bert Nordberg, has given an interview to Swedish site sydsvenskan.se in which he mentioned several things such as Play Now Arena allegedly having 45 million customers (I can only assume that's "potential" customers and not those actually using the service) and that SE have discussed the use of Windows Mobile 7 with Microsoft but the most surprising piece of information is related to Google and the Nexus One.

Nordberg admits that Google approached Sony Ericsson with an offer for them to manufacture the Nexus One before asking HTC, in his infinite CEO wisdom he turned them down! That's right, Sony Ericsson could have been the manufacturer of the highest profile Android device to hit the market to date but apparently felt they don't need such an affiliation. Nordberg cited preservation of the Sony Ericsson brand as the reason behind this decision but was it a good one?

Android gets a lot of press at the moment as it continues to gather momentum and the "Google Phone" was talked about as much as anything on the internet. Now it has finally come to light as the Nexus One, is the brand recognition exclusively Google or do we all clearly know that it is produced by HTC? Have HTC suffered from a diminished reputation as an independent manufacturer or gained more brand awareness than ever before? Have they been unable to produce devices under their own moniker? We certainly do know that the Sony Ericsson brand isn't exactly at it's peak right now and this could have been a chance for them to establish themselves as the premier Android manufacturer...any guess who would currently be regarded as that? Personally I think that Sony Ericsson would have benefited from such a high profile collaboration, especially seeing as they are currently basing so much of their future success on Android. Being known as the manufacturer of choice for Google would only boost the reputation of Sony Ericsson's other devices and keep them in pole position to take advantage if Google's plan really pays off.

Perhaps then it was Google's new approach on distribution that was the real problem, Nordberg also said:
"It would be in itself an alternative way out to the market but we'd rather by their own efforts on the important U.S. market"

On this angle I'd have to agree. The Nexus One hasn't set the world on fire in terms of sales figures and that's quite probably due to the limited global availability and lack of any presence of the device in good, old fashioned shops. The online distribution model is not necessarily a bad one but Google needs to get the device out there to be seen and wanted by more customers, not just the loyal followers of tech savvy blogs, before turning to online only means. However, is the distribution of the Nexus One inhibiting HTC's success elsewhere? I would say not, the Hero is selling well and of course the hardware developed for the Nexus One is soon to be released in it's non-Google form as the HTC Desire, arguably an improved device, and who benefits from that?

Ultimately it seems bizarre that a struggling company would turn down an opportunity such as this. The benefits seem to clearly outweigh the potential costs and I don't see HTC posting €160 million losses each quarter! Sony Ericsson need a new direction but perhaps they are afraid to actually take a different route, time to stop talking Bert and actually turn this company around.

Source: sydsvenskan.se | (English translation)

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From Unofficial Sony Ericsson Blog: http://blog.se-nse.n...ny-ericsson-no/

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 11:26 PM

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 11:27 PM

OMG :eek: I never knew that Nexus One was built by HTC. :blink: It would of been a big turnaround for :se: if Bert Nordberg had agreed to that offer. SE really needs to find some way to get back to the top 3 of the list. But that would only happen if their build quality improves. If they don't, it may be bye-bye :se: . Anyways I'll be true to SE to the end. :)
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 12:12 AM

Blog comment left by Biiij:

I think it was a good move. Nexus One is manufactured by HTC but is not a HTC phone and although HTC may not suffer from this situation they're not having much benefits from it either. HTC is known and renown for its Magic or Hero device, not Nexus One.
Plus the offer made by Google may have come (say 1 year ago) at a bad time: coming crisis, sales quagmire, identity issues... Adding the Nexus One to the already full cup would have been a wrong turn. And we don't know what the commercial terms and condition were. They may not have been interesting. And considering the actual sales of Nexus One, this could have been a major downturn.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 12:50 AM

Wow Sony Ericsson. Wow. Such an idiot!
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 07:41 AM

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:35 AM

It was a good move for Google, just think how late and even more buggy the Nexus would have been if :se: had made it!

Would still be at the revising the release date still...
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:46 AM

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:55 AM

I saw this on Engadget yesterday ....

I have to agree with Bert though. Working to produce a mobile phone with Google is quite risky .... Why would :se: want to risk more losses?

Makes sen-se to avoid Google and just work on they're current portfolio from the economic point of view....
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 10:04 AM

View PostRD274, on 19 February 2010 - 08:55 AM, said:

I saw this on Engadget yesterday ....

I have to agree with Bert though. Working to produce a mobile phone with Google is quite risky .... Why would :se: want to risk more losses?

Makes sen-se to avoid Google and just work on they're current portfolio from the economic point of view....



It would be no more an economical risk than making the X10 and X10mini, its just a handset running Android, but it would have had the extra hype behind it of being the "Google phone"

infact depending on the "cost structure/revenue share" could have been a money making handset for :se: due to the hype and the people buying it in bucket loads (although this has not been the case with the Nexus atm.)

The only good thing about it is they must have known how much they are struggling with hardware and software issues they didn't go ahead a :censored: up a relationship with google by making a even higher profile :censored: up on Googles 'flagship' handset, on their own handsets this is now almost guaranteed
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 11:51 AM

Blog comment left by MIGHTY_DUCKS:

"maxidimov says: I never knew that Nexus One was built by HTC."

This post summarizes why Bert didn't want this. Apart from the geeks on the internet, not many know that the NexusOne is made by HTC. The branding is not shown on the website where you buy the phone and laymen call it google phone rather than HTC phone.

SE needs to concentrate on its own android phones rather than use their manufacturing facilities to make phones which are branded something else. HTC likes being a contract manufacturer. Doesn't mean the others have to be the same.

Also, what "High profile" handset? The N1 is not available in physical stores and I can assure you, more people on the streets know about the Hero rather than the N1.

Once again, internet =/= real world. People who rise to the rank of CEO know this. All-knowing geeks don't.

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 01:18 PM

@ Mattwood

perhaps that's it...they didn't want to risk totally messing it up and tarnishing their reputation even more.

@ RD274

Working with Google would have beneficial, they are already producing Android devices anyway and are being criticised for running an out of date version of it. Had they made the Google Phone, they would have THE latest release of Android before other manufacturers.

@ Mighty Ducks

The phone was clearly announced in partnership with HTC and is branded by HTC on the back, this is no different to my HTC Magic which says Vodafone on the front and HTC & with Google on the back.
Also the visibility of the device is mentioned as a factor in the article.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 02:23 PM

Blog comment left by Herr Synnberg:

"Had they made the Google Phone, they would have THE latest release of Android before other manufacturers."

Herein lies the biggest problem with Android. It's supposed to be open source and free for all, but only those who share a bed with Google gets the best bits first. Like, WTF? Mark my words, this is exactly what will prevent Android from becoming as big as people think it would. I wouldn't be surprised if a rejuvenated Symbian increases its market dominance with MeeGo and even Windows Phone 7 leaving Android behind.

Google has two good, nay great things. Mail and Search. In everything else, they throw :censored: at the wall and see what sticks. The recent Buzz episode has shown us that nothing has changed in this regard.

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Posted 20 February 2010 - 03:58 AM

TBH, it wouldn't have mattered to me. and i must agree with Mattwood. It wouldnt surprise me that after ALL This time the X10 will be released with bugs. And i say that with much sadness.

Again, i hope :se: gets their act together and they read the open letter from months ago.
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Posted 22 February 2010 - 05:14 PM

Blog comment left by w960:

Honestly do you think that SE is that stupid ? They just couldn't manufacture the nexus one that's all...
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 11:01 AM

Perhaps one problem was that Google would have wanted a stock Android device, as the Nexus One is, while SE wanted to make their own mark on the platform as they are trying with the X10. It's a shame though that they were too short sighted to see the benefit of working with Google to produce a solid stock phone AND then produce their own version with customisation.
HTC have ended up with a better device than the Nexus One in the Desire which is basically the same hardware but with HTC's flavour!
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Posted 25 February 2010 - 11:34 PM

Blog comment left by frank: Sony Ericsson "No!" ... we are having problems building our own stuff properly!!
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