Someone needs a wakeup call... |
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Someone needs a wakeup call... |
2008-08-08 13:52
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![]() Best staff member of 2008 (apparently) Group: Admins Posts: 2,888 Joined: 2008-01-18 From: Denmark Member No.: 102,800 Mobile: C901, C903, W995 and XPERIA X1 Tutorials Submitted: 2 |
It would be impossible for me to do a comprehensive, technically detailed write-up of how Sony Ericsson turned the million Euro incomes to expenses, and I'm sure it'd be rather uninteresting for you as well. That's why I'm not going to do that nor try to do it. I will, however, try to sum up what went wrong and how. As you'd expect, this rant will reflect nothing but my personal opinions and thoughts on Sony Ericsson's past and current decisions, as well as what seems to be Sony Ericsson's future plans. Also want you to know that I'm uncertain whether or not this piece is finished. I can't make up my mind on whether I should add more to make it more clear, or leave it as it is, so apologies in advance if parts don't make any sense to you.
The copy/paste-strategy Sony Ericsson changed its product strategy a few years ago. The company saw huge advantages of making use of the same hardware and software platforms with only few minor changes. Initially, the strategy worked out very well - probably because it was still of limited use. Sony Ericsson announced the rather amazing K750 back in very early March 2005. The K750 is one of Sony Ericsson's most innovative phones ever, period. It was such an immense update from K700, and the camera - which was the most interesting feature about it - was built upon the camera of the S700, and greatly enhanced. I doubt it came as a surprise for K750 users when it was announced the best camera phone of the year. The K750 wasn't one to miss, and sales surpassed all expectations. At the same day the K750 was announced, Sony Ericsson also announced another very similar phone, which featured the same stunning camera features, while also bringing the Sony Walkman brand into the mobile phone market. The W800 was born.
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2008-08-08 13:55
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![]() Se-xy Group: Moderators Posts: 5,786 Joined: 2007-06-08 From: London Member No.: 46,945 Mobile: W995 Brown | iPhone2G |
Interesting.
I like reading rants, cos you can either agree or disagree This post has been edited by Lynott: 2008-08-08 13:59 -------------------- |
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2008-08-08 14:14
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Makes Se-nse ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 444 Joined: 2007-11-05 From: India Member No.: 81,094 Mobile: w810i |
i hope the
This post has been edited by hks_911: 2008-08-08 14:16 -------------------- |
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2008-08-08 14:37
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n00b Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 2006-12-13 Member No.: 8,829 |
@ mizzle
do se managers and president will read this and think about it??? or already they are changing???? |
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2008-08-08 14:38
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![]() Non-se-nse ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 2007-03-18 From: Italy Member No.: 27,921 Mobile: k750i->w800i |
You know, I love my k750i, it's a great little phone. But today I saw reviews on the Nokia N82, and I thought to myself....."is there an SE phone that can contend with this?" my answer was no. What a shame.
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2008-08-08 16:17
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![]() Ciggy the Young Di Di... I'm The Young Aidonia Group: VIP Posts: 3,750 Joined: 2007-05-30 From: Gun Heaven (Trinidad and Tobago) Member No.: 45,034 Mobile: /\/\0l)l)3l) \/\/830!, P!l\/lP3l) \/\/8l0! (R.I.P), T610, T230 |
at least my
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2008-08-08 16:39
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![]() Best staff member of 2008 (apparently) Group: Admins Posts: 2,888 Joined: 2008-01-18 From: Denmark Member No.: 102,800 Mobile: C901, C903, W995 and XPERIA X1 Tutorials Submitted: 2 |
@ mizzle do se managers and president will read this and think about it??? or already they are changing???? I've notified Dick Komiyama about it now, and yes, quite a few of the SE managers read the blog -------------------- You can visit my website here, if you want. |
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2008-08-08 17:15
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![]() A witty saying proves nothing Group: SE-NSE Awards '08 Posts: 6,332 Joined: 2007-02-21 From: Norfolk Member No.: 21,680 Mobile: iPhone 2G - K850 |
Nice work again Miz
Really interesting, and I like how argue on both sides unlike some people do these days. -------------------- |
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2008-08-08 18:42
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![]() Non-se-nse ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 2005-06-01 From: Kuwait Member No.: 649 Mobile: T18s, R320s, C55, V200C, K700i, S700i, P990i |
Well then , if
I love JAVA platform more than smart platforms , like SYMBIAN , WM & others because it is more stable and faster the only reason I bought P990i is because the ulimited entries in phonebook I wish if the develpors @ The contact in JAVA can't exceed 21 digits , there are some contact wihch I need to write alot of info inside them for example , I write my dad bank account number , ID number , passport number and many other personal info about him in his own contact I have some long info like adress directions , work notes and other needed things which I wish if that was able to be run on JAVA phone would we see that phonebook in JAVA phones ? I beleieve in |
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2008-08-08 18:52
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![]() me. here. now. Group: News Team Posts: 703 Joined: 2006-01-14 From: Hanover, Germany Member No.: 2,310 Mobile: Satio! |
Actually you can add a hell lot of text into the "info" field at A200 phones.
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2008-08-08 19:30
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Se-nse-ible ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 510 Joined: 2007-06-28 From: Ohio, USA Member No.: 51,075 Mobile: w760i, W810i |
Well done Mizzle.
I am with you on the whole thing. I've noticed the exact same trends. I often go to phone websites like www.phonearena.com and www.gsmarena.com and I always click on the Sony Ericcson segment of these websites. Lately, all of the phones next to each other look almost identical, just as you said. Now that's not to say that (lets use as an example) the G900, a simple, but very sleek candybar, and the C902, also a pretty simple in design candybar, are just copies of each other. I really like how both of them bring a nice feature to the table: the G900 a touchscreen (but still with regular keypad) and the C902 a camera which can stand up to some of the camera out on the market today. But all of the low-end phones are just completely identical other than design. When I first got my W810i, I bought it because of its design and great looks. But if I were to buy an SE now, too many other phones look too similar, and it just doesn't make mine stand out. Please, SE, cut the low-end crap that is designed to look "high end." You're not fooling me, and it turns me away from the brand more, knowing that my $600USD phone has the same look as a $300USD phone. Don't get rid of ALL the lower end stuff, but get rid of the stuff that does not improve anything and is only released to "trick" the market. Hardcore fans (like most of us here) can see right through it. SE has always caught my eye with their high end phones. The C905, the X1, the G900... all of them are GREAT phones with a GREAT feature set. Something like that is worth shelling out $500+ for. I don't want an imitation that costs half as much, but looks the same. Part of the reason I pay that much is so that others will see it and just know "Hey, that is one HELL of a phone." Hopefully, your predictions are true and SE really does add more high end phones to the portfolio. The G900, which is still to me the greatest looking candy bar on the market, was released without a 850MHz band. It would be great for them to add more phones with this type of innovation to the portfolio, not only because they look good but also because its the stuff that we as the consumer want. Well that got a little off topic at points and turned into my own "rant" of sorts. In addition, SE, why do you continue to release phones that are not globalized? I am seeing way too many phones that are perfect for the European market, but do not work for the United States very well. Take the 3 new Walkman phones. The W902, a decent phone with a fairly nice feature set, has quad-band, BUT WHERE'S THE 3G SUPPORT FOR AMERICA? I understand that maybe the American market isn't the biggest one for SE, but hey, don't you think that maybe if we could actually buy a phone that worked here, your market share would increase? I'm not about to pay some 500-600 dollars for a phone, but then not be able to use it to its maximum potential! This is really getting too long. I'll have to end it here, but I'm really not done. I'm hoping some of you have more to add, because I feel that I'm just going "all out" against Sony Ericsson. And while it may seem like it, know that in my heart, I'll always be a Last, but not least, please SE, stop announcing phones and releasing them 4-6 months later. This is not working for me. Look at some other brands. Nokia will announce and release within a month. One they released at the announcement. Why can't you be like that too? The X1 would have been a HELL of a release if you had completed it in February. Don't give your competitors a chance to catch up. The C905 has that same mistake. Samsung already has their 8MP shooter announced, and they'll probably release before you! Announce, release. That's how we like it. Q4 better be one hell of a turnaround, because I am in dire need of a new phone. My W810i is hella old and I need a replacement, bad. I really can't go with anybody else, I'm just too used to SE now. Well, this is the real end of my rant. Hopefully none of you flame me out too much about this, and hopefully I didn't say anything wrong. I'm not about to re-read everything, so if I did say something wrong or had misleading info, my apologies in advance. Edit: DAMN this is really long! I had no idea I had so much to say! This post has been edited by Mr.Phear: 2008-08-08 19:31 -------------------- ![]() |
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2008-08-09 00:25
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n00b Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 2008-05-16 Member No.: 142,084 |
"One of the most stupid things in the world is supporting Sony Ericsson at times."
Well that's 99% correct. I did really like your post even if I have to review for my upcoming exams, I still want my opinion to be heard. Ok, so here is the thing, I have been telling to other people that wireless headphones are much better than other headphones. I am talking about the walkman line-up. Oh, God! They're called walkman even without having 3.5mm jack.... I often support them even if I think it's illogical.... Ok, so I agree with you about the thing your saying of the "copy and paste" strategy. Well, that's undoubtedly correct. But even though it's correct, I just like to tell that even other brands are making that "copy and paste" strategy. Take for example Nokia's N78 and N77, their is only a minor difference between the two. I heard one of my friends which currently using a nokia that he is bored with nokia because of the same interface or hardware.... Well I think, every fans of each brands are feeling or had felt the same things we are having right now. Sorry if my reply is hard to understand. It's because I'm feeling dizzy right now... I'll just try to make it clear after my review.... |
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2008-08-09 05:58
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![]() Non-se-nse ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 2007-03-06 From: Esato Member No.: 24,832 |
damn, mizzle, my eyes hurt
this is the first time reading such an argument and i must say that you did it great. i enjoyed reading all this and it took me back to the 06 when i got my k750. we just have to wait SE to wake up and read this over and over again and recognize that they must change. i know they are doing better now with the latest announcements, but they need more and more features to keep in the game. nice one mizzle -------------------- Esatonian
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2008-08-09 13:16
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![]() bullfunter Group: Boffin Posts: 1,289 Joined: 2007-10-31 From: Up North.. Member No.: 79,745 Mobile: A half-pint piece of mucked up crap. Tutorials Submitted: 1 |
this is so true...hats off to the rant mizzle
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2008-08-09 13:42
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![]() Makes Se-nse ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 2007-10-27 From: UK Member No.: 78,757 Mobile: W760i |
This is exactly the reason why i went for another brand this time and went for the LG Viewty
About a week ago my contract ended on my W850 and i wanted a new phone on PAYG so i was going to go for the W580, becasue i liked its light-up buttons and looks and shake control but i then relised that thats not worth it at all and also my mates had recently got that phone and they had some button and screen problems, so anyways i changed my mind of the w580 and thought about the W910, but there was still only a few things new on this phone and it had the same megapixel camera as my w850 which is :censored: and the price over here in UK to buy one is about £140, so then I looked up the new W760 and its nearly the same as the w910 apart from it has a 3.2 camera a nice design and can operate some gps sofware and costs £190 and thats about it, same old UI graphic design, so on the way to the shops i was looking at some phones and did like the LG viewty for ages but i thought it was too much and i dident want to waste loads of money on a phone tbh, but it was priced at £150 in phones4u, and i was really surprised so i tried n tested it out to see if i wanted it and it is a great phone so i bought it there and then because that was the last one, so it just shows, and i bet many other people will think the same, i just wish sony ericsson would fix there problem of this because ive always like sony ericssons and ive had many others over the last couple of years but atm until they do im staying away from them -------------------- |
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2008-08-09 16:37
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Se-nse-ible ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 510 Joined: 2007-06-28 From: Ohio, USA Member No.: 51,075 Mobile: w760i, W810i |
Lol, unnecessary video..
What do you have to think about this, not maroon 5, hahha This post has been edited by Mr.Phear: 2008-08-09 16:38 -------------------- ![]() |
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2008-08-09 17:18
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![]() Sensoid? Group: Super Moderators Posts: 4,702 Joined: 2007-03-10 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 25,830 Mobile: HTC HERO, HTC Magic, W910, W580, W300 Tutorials Submitted: 7 |
Do you know the song title, Mr.Phear
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2008-08-09 18:16
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Se-nse-ible ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 510 Joined: 2007-06-28 From: Ohio, USA Member No.: 51,075 Mobile: w760i, W810i |
Lol, yep I do know the song title, I'm just noting that it adds nothing to the thread
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2008-08-09 18:55
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![]() Best staff member of 2008 (apparently) Group: Admins Posts: 2,888 Joined: 2008-01-18 From: Denmark Member No.: 102,800 Mobile: C901, C903, W995 and XPERIA X1 Tutorials Submitted: 2 |
Yep, adds nothing. So it was removed.
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2008-08-10 01:47
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n00b Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 2007-08-29 Member No.: 63,577 |
I think the problem is that SE is overestimating the value of their brand. It just seems to me like they're under the impression that people will buy a phone just because it's a Sony Ericsson. With cell phones being classified as FMCEs, it might not be such a good idea to pin too much hope on brand-loyalty.
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